Paris: Charlie Hebdo Shooting

January 7th, 2015

Update: Terrorist Leaves ID Document at Scene [???]

Fascinating.

Well, at least it hadn’t been aboard a plane that smashed into a skyscraper.

Via: CNN:

Police found an ID document of Said Kouachi at the scene of the shooting, CNN affiliate BFMTV reported. “It was their only mistake,” said Dominique Rizet, BFMTV’s police and justice consultant, reporting that the discovery helped the investigation.

WARNING: GRAPHIC

Via: BBC:

Gunmen have attacked the Paris office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 people and injuring seven in an apparent Islamist attack.

At least two masked attackers opened fire with assault rifles in the office and exchanged shots with police in the street outside before escaping by car.

The gunmen shouted “we have avenged the Prophet Muhammad”, witnesses say.

President Francois Hollande said there was no doubt it had been a terrorist attack “of exceptional barbarity”.

A major police operation is under way in the Paris area to catch the killers.

22 Responses to “Paris: Charlie Hebdo Shooting”

  1. mangrove says:

    Actually, it’s not graphic at all. At 12 seconds in, the cop lying on the sidewalk is supposedly shot in the head at point-blank range. Look closely, because besides the obvious fact that his brain didn’t explode and there’s no blood splatter WHATSOEVER, there’s also the fact that the blank that was shot was aimed to the right, onto the pavement, NOT into the guy’s head. Hopefully the crisis actor cop had some earplugs in though. What a dismal world this has become where these staged events happen with increasing frequency and the general public still hasn’t caught on. Yeah, I’m back to cursing the sheeple just as much as the fucking perpetrators.

  2. mangrove says:

    Youtube is taking down the Paris “shooting” videos left and right. Catch this one while you can.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc_le-bEnMM

    ZeeklyTV.com is where Free Radio Revolution (FRR) has gone. It’s hard to connect to at times, like right now, but here’s a link to FRR’s latest, exposing this as a hoax. I haven’t seen the video yet, but he’s usually spot on. And, this link should eventually work — Zeekly isn’t censoring videos at least.

    Zeekly EXCLUSIVE! Charlie Hebdo Shooting HOAX! FULLY EXPOSED – Banned Youtube video
    http://zeeklytv.com/video/13951/Zeekly-EXCLUSIVE-Charlie-Hebdo-Shooting-HOAX-FULLY-EXPOSED-Banned-Youtube-video

  3. mangrove says:

    Slow motion REALLY makes it obvious. Hopefully this video will stay up long enough for people to see and download. It’s so obvious that the shooter wasn’t even aiming for the guy’s head. Look at the sidewalk where the shot (blank) hits to the right and above the crisis actor’s head. BUSTED!

    FAKE PARIS SHOOTING MISS SLOW MOTION 7-1 -15 FRENCH SATIRE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2KkttkhFag

  4. Dennis says:

    Do blanks ‘hit’ anything?

  5. cryingfreeman says:

    While I believe it may be a false flag event (the credulity-stretching ID found at the scene, if correct, screams “staged”), I am unconvinced about the faking of the policeman’s death.

    High speed rounds don’t have to cause brain explosions; that’s the work of slower projectiles.

    Using the crude analogy of a pebble thrown into a pond, a slower projectile creates a wide wave (and aftershocks) with large amplification, with the main collateral energy spreading outwards along the surface of the water. A high velocity pebble creates more of a vertical splash and less in the way of transverse collateral energy along the surface of the water. In other words, high speed produces a clean punch-through effect, low speed produces a more widespread disrupted effect.

    Now, let’s look at some real life examples. Ever heard of anyone surviving a point blank shot to the head? I was born and raised in Northern Ireland during the Troubles, so I know that heads don’t explode when shot at close range by automatic weapons. Consider this guy who was a high profile politician in NI while I was growing up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor,_Baron_Kilclooney#Arms

    Five bullets to the head and he’s still alive…

    Or this guy: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41046340/ns/health-health_care/t/bullet-head-can-be-overcome-survivors-say/

    The problem is, too many chaps have half an idea about how things work in the real world. I grew up in a war zone where people were being shot every week. Exploding heads were largely unheard of, even in sniper attacks (which invariably were aimed at the torso – go figure).

  6. williamspd says:

    I doubt that the execution of the policeman is fake, although the ID left at the scene was convenient, and my first thought was back to the 9/11 passports fiasco. Far more likely that the shooters are assets or double agents, or simply manipulated by an agency with different goals to the one that they thought they were fighting for.

    In any case, it would be a mystery if they faked shooting a policeman outside but did actually kill and wound the 20+ people inside. Unless we have any reason to believe that nobody at all died? I guess that Elvis, Marilyn, Shergar, Lord Lucan and the occupants of Flight 93 could use some BD entertainment wherever they are all holed up.

    No, I can believe that the shooters were careless (they went to the wrong address first, before reaching the correct address; and they left a trainer/sneaker on the road by the car, but they picked that up.) What I don’t get is why you would take your ID on a terror operation, unless you wanted everyone to know who you are?

    My jury is out on the frauditude of this thing. Sad to lose les dessinateurs though, I liked Tignous’ work.

  7. cryingfreeman says:

    Wow. In a second incident in Paris today, in which a policewoman was shot dead, a passer-by was shot in the face as he challenged a gunman who was armed with an M5 assault rifle. Interestingly enough, the victim’s head did not explode… (apologies if I appear flippant given the the wounded man is in extremis).

    LINK IN FRENCH (use Google Translate if you can’t read French): http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/malakoff-une-policiere-blessee-par-balles-ce-matin-08-01-2015-4428367.php

  8. mangrove says:

    The slow motion video has been removed multiple times from multiple channels at youtube. I downloaded one before it was too late though, and now have it on my Zeekly channel:

    Fake Paris Shooting Slo Mo
    http://zeeklytv.com/video/14041/Fake-Paris-Shooting-Slo-Mo

    Of course, there’s a lot more evidence that this is yet another concocted story. I’ve grown weary of wasting my time looking at every little detail on these staged events, especially when there’s something as obvious as the above clip. But if that’s not enough for you, please be my guest and get to work on the rest of the anomalies. Or, go back to sleep and dream little dreams of happier, more truthful times. Good luck with that.

  9. Dennis says:

    I agree with cryingfreeman and williamspd.

    Also, it looks to me as if two shots may have been fired:

    One missed and hit the concrete and the second was delivered almost vertically moments later.

  10. mangrove says:

    Dennis, good call. You’re probably right. I’ve gone back and watched again with an open mind and now understand your point of view and see how indeed, that is likely the case.

    These perpetrators are really clever. They removed the original sound and dubbed in the shots so that the close-range shot into the cop’s head would only sound like one shot, even when slowed down. Then they brought in their best Hollywood CGI experts to remove the blood splatter around his head, and make sure his body didn’t show any reaction to the violent force of the real bullets smashing through his brain. Amazing work, really. I don’t know WHAT I was thinking before. Thanks again for opening my eyes!

    Too bad they didn’t have this technology back when JFK was assassinated, because that was really gross. Kinda ruined my beautiful mind. But they at least had a magic bullet! 🙂

  11. mangrove says:

    Here’s a comment back in the real world from my new account at Zeekly from user Duckdown:

    These fake shooters just don’t understand how a firearm like these recoil with LIVE ammo, this no recoil shoot is clearly with blanks…and the pretend victims head would have moved with a violent twisting roll with the foot pound amount of energy at point blank range as the bullet would have passed through the pretend victims head…but the biggest fake of course is the amount of Bone / Flesh/ and brain material that would have exploded in front of the pretend victims head, followed by an instant, very long and wide blood splattering ,on the surrounding floor area…so, good film, totally unrealistic , you just can’t shoot anything at that close range without Blood, lots of Blood….so, it’s back to the studio before the next spectcrapular production…Rated G

  12. mangrove says:

    PARIS SEIGE FALSE FLAG: Analyzing The Cop Shooting Footage
    SGT Report contributor and firearms expert Mark S. Mann joins us to analyze the alleged shooting of a police officer in Paris. The image from the moment before the “head shot” was distributed and used by the mockingbird mainstream media worldwide the day after the massacre. And now the full video showing the cop shooting is being removed from You Tube and edited elsewhere. We wonder, why?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moAfaf2NU-Q

  13. mangrove says:

    Not sure why, but the above video has been “removed by the user.” I’ll check with SGT Report and if necessary will see about uploading it to Zeekly. I’ll post it here if possible. In a nutshell, Mark S. Mann believes the gun was NOT fired toward the cop’s head, but if it was, then there would definitely be blood splatter and it would obvious on that light-colored pavement.

  14. mangrove says:

    OK, the video is back with a different address…. Kevin, if you want, just replace the link above and delete my second (14.) comment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOhsvDKN0rc

  15. Dennis says:

    @ Mangrove
    Regarding your point about the gunshot report, my apologies: I was at work and watching with the sound turned off. D’oh!
    However, I still don’t feel I’ve adequate info to come to a definite conclusion on this one event for a number of reasons.

    You may be interested to know that in Australia, when this was reported on the public station, they cut the actual shot out saying something about it being too graphic to show. I’m not sure if that was for the sake of good taste and family viewing or some other reason.

  16. prov6yahoo says:

    There is often a policeman shot in these staged events (I guess so we will have more hate for the supposed perpetrators): Oswald shot Tippit, Boston marathon bomber shot a cop, and this one they even filmed.

  17. williamspd says:

    Why shoot 20-odd people for real, and then fake a cop-killing? Or are you calling the entire thing a hoax from start to finish?

    I also don’t get why people are getting in a twist about the video being pulled / censored. MSM won’t show executions on the news, no matter what Mark Mann says about Americans being desensitised to violence. That’s why we got endless loops of the ‘planes flying into the towers, but most of the footage of the many jumpers didn’t get an airing.

    This video we’re discussing here has been on LiveLeak right from the start, with no censorship there. Youtube is obviously a different story, but they are more sensitive to snuff material.

    So I downloaded the video and ran it through my software frame by frame. The actual shot occurs after 12 seconds at a midpoint between frames 23 and 24. This is clear from both the video and audio. At frame 23 the gun is clearly pointing straight at the policeman’s head, and if I extrapolate the line from the weapon it looks like it would hit somewhere in the back of the head/neck just behind the right ear. At this point the policeman is rolling away from the shooter and turning his head towards the pavement and away from the weapon.

    At frame 24 the dust kicks up from the pavement, traveling away from the policeman’s body as his head and right arm continue moving as before.

    The next few frames show his head and arm coming to rest. His head is almost totally hidden by the rest of his body and especially his right arm and shoulder.

    Just how much blood are we expecting to see here? The wounded area is hidden from view, and the policeman is only in shot for another 8 seconds tops.

    This wasn’t a head shot that exploded the policeman’s cranium, as it looks like a soft-tissue wound to the back of the head / top of the neck.

    The area in question is out of shot, concealed by the rest of the body. Any blood splatter is out of our line of sight.

    So you are expecting gouts of blood to flood the pavement within a few seconds, flowing so fast that they’ll pool around his corpse and be visible even from the poor location we are viewing this from?

    None of the clips I have seen show any evidence that looks like a hoax. Sure, they have claimed a bunch of stuff about the angle of the gun etc. but that turns out to be crap when you slow the video down and watch the frame by frame and the audio spike.

    So your hoax is all resting on the guy not jerking around when shot, not being able to see an exit wound on the far side of his body hidden from sight by the rest of his body, and no puddles of blood gouting out after a few seconds.

    I suggest that in your eagerness to cry hoax, you think about what actually might possibly be real.

    I’m not discounting a possible hoax. I’m saying that this does not constitute evidence of one. And sorry, just because some guy says he thinks it might look odd, does not convince me either.

  18. dale says:

    @ Williamspd

    Thanks for taking time to lay that down. I’m sure many cryptogon readers were thinking the same thing (even without the extra research).

  19. cryingfreeman says:

    There seems to be a law here that everyone on the internet knows about except me: heads always explode when shot at close range. Actually, I observe another law: people see things in low re video clips they want to see.

    Mangrove, you’re flogging a dead horse here. It’s tragic, because nonsense like this is what discredits truthers.

  20. prov6yahoo says:

    The police could be in on the hoax. What is the name of this policeman who was shot? Who are his relatives? When is the funeral?

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