The Chinese “Miracle” Will End Soon [sic]
August 4th, 2007Yesterday wouldn’t be soon enough.
Via: Spiegel:
The world has been dazzled in recent years by the economic strides being made by China. But it has come at a huge cost to the country’s environment. Pollution is a serious and costly problem. Pan Yue of the ministry of the environment says these problems will soon overwhelm the country and will create millions of “environmental refugees.”
Industry is booming in China at the moment, but so too is pollution.
Industry is booming in China at the moment, but so too is pollution.
SPIEGEL: China is dazzling the world with its booming economy, which grew by 9.5 percent. Aren’t you pleased with this speed of growth?
Pan: Of course I am pleased with the success of China’s economy. But at the same time I am worried. We are using too many raw materials to sustain this growth. To produce goods worth $10,000, for example, we need seven times more resources than Japan, nearly six times more than the United States and, perhaps most embarrassing, nearly three times more than India. Things can’t, nor should they be allowed to go on like that.
I’m a bit surprised no one has commented.
I read the interview. Good stuff. Funny you never see this stuff in the US/UK press. Maybe I just haven’t been paying attention.
But this is a VERY serious issue. China is using a huge amount of resources: cement, coal, oil, gas, steel, platics, copper, paper, textiles, etc. Their manufactured exports are a huge percentage of world trade in manufactures. But their environment is being trashed at a rate never witnessed before. And there are very few controls on this. Pan Yue is one person trying to at least enforce the law, with very marginal impact on the big picture. He can see that he is on a hiding to nothing, so he is trying to drum up outside support. This is his last hope. I don’t think the bookies would give him good odds of “success”.
If China ends up with no clean water or clean air, and not enough food with disease rampant from contamination and pollution, that will be the end of the “Chinese miracle” and the end of the globalist experiment. The revolution will not be televised.
(Sorry for my english)
Collapse of Chinese miracle is normal, ’cause it’s impossible to join capitalism and communism. The waste of resources and the increasing pollution is simply the result of the centralization of the economy and the excessive power of the chinese gouvernement.
Capitalism is good but only if is the market that rules. If over the market rule politicians, the entrepreneurs can addict their errors to the community and they have not reason to improve the quality of productions and decrease the costs. Because costs, as pollutions and resource wasting, are payed by community and not by themselves.
And is the gouvernement that allows these shit, because it has the power to help inefficients industries with statal funds, to block importations of less expensive products and it has the power to allow enterpreneurs to soil and to damage private propriety of others chinese people . More is the power of the gouvernement, more is the possibility of a real revolution in the State.
Because more is the power of the gouvernement, more is the degree of the corruption. And this is a simple human law. No one can hope to create an absolute power and protect this from corruption and abuse.
Communists gouvernements have always an absolute power over their citizens.
Greetings
LibertyFighter
a market–a farmers’ market or artisans’ market where people gather to buy and sell their produce and wares–is good. it is practical. you get to meet the people who have made or grown stuff with their own hands.
but the abstract concept of “the market” as inherently good–as long as the government doesn’t interfere and distort it–is just another religion. it is not based on fact but faith and fantasy and a set of alice-in-wonderland asuumptions.
a market is just one of many ways a community can choose to conduct its economic and social interactions. markets are never perfect and never free. because markets are just a temporary confluence of people, who are never “free” or “perfect”.
Never heard about work division?
If you work alone you can sell only a shell necklace.
But the goods that someone sell to anothers are just the result of a chain of buy and sell decisions.
Including the work. In effect the work is just another good to buy and sell. Chiefs are buying work to workers. Workers are selling work to chiefs.
Market is perfect and free when the exchanges between goods are decided only by the two parts that are making the exchange. Is “imperfect and not free” when is someone other that decides.
So black market is a free market and black work is a free work market.
There’s no alice-in-wonderland assumptions. They’re reals.
And if no one has the legal power of steal and destroy others goods, the world goes on. In the other cases, the world come closer to war and destruction.
Capitalism can create more and more goods than socialism. So it can be very important for the people. But if there is people that can make laws to do anything they want, as in all socialist gouvenement (even in Italy and in USA) the power of destruction of capitalism can be dangerous. Because it provides more powerful instruments of oppression in the hands of this people.
So the first problems of Capitalism and people are the gouvernements
“So the first problems of Capitalism and people are the gouvernements”
of course!
governments are evil and markets are perfect and free and good. how silly of me to not understand.
and capitalism involves lots of perfect and free companies that are also good and not evil (unlike governments). if there were no governments to interfere, these perfect and good and free companies would always create the best and most efficient outcome for everyone, not just their owners and managers.
it’s all so obvious, isn’t it?
therefore, here is the mantra:
markets = captitalism = good
governments = socialism = bad
end of story.
Instead of that what’s your mantra?
Gouvernement know better than people what people want and what is good for people?
So gouvernements have to force people to think and to act as gouvernement has dreamt?
Capitalism doesn’t force anyone to do something.
You wanna buy? So buy. You wanna sell? Sell. You don’t want to do anything? Do nothing.
Socialism yes. You wanna buy? Only at THIS price, only THESE goods, only from THIS seller.
Who fuck has the right to decide these things? Seller and customers want to make an exchange? Yes?
So this is the end of story. Why State has to decide somewhat about this?
Or, again, why State has to decide what i can read, what televisions or internet sites i have to see, if i have to marry with chinese girl or norvegian girl? There’s no right.
Socialism do that because of force, but gouvernement has never had right to do.
That could be enough to understand what is good and what is bad.
as i said, capitalism–without government interference–is innately good. it’s so obvious, why don’t you understand? we don’t need proof, we only need faith! faith in the free market and faith in the good of capital! it’s all good, good, good!
and here is the most important thing: capitalism NEVER forces anyone to buy goods or sell their labour for a set price against thier will, because we are all free agents, able to walk away anytime we like. not like in those icky countries that MAKE us buy or sell for the price the evil GOVERNMENT sets. disgusting.
and they make you marry someone you don’t want to.
and those evil governments make me watch FOX TV and read the Sun! and watch American Idol and Celebrity Big Brother!
Capitalism would never do such evil things!!!!!!!
NEVER!