New Zealand: Antidepressants Given to Babies
September 10th, 2007Via: New Zealand Herald:
Medical authorities are mystified and concerned at figures suggesting antidepressant drugs are being prescribed for children, some less than a year old.
Records of the national drug buying agency Pharmac suggest thousands of prescriptions a year are being written for children under 10.
Antidepressants are powerful psychiatric drugs with potentially severe side-effects.
Research Credit: SW
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To see what all this is really about, check out John Rappoport:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2004/04/05.html
What’s scarier: that we now have irrefutable proof that we are living the nightmare; or that so many still don’t see the irrefutable proof that we are living the nightmare.
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Are you living a nightmare? How dreary a world one must live in? Bad news is surely to change the perspective but is the need to view ones world as a ‘nightmare’ helpful in any sense?
Opportunities arise out of change, out of discord is found a new appreciation for accord.
We live in times of great change, manipulation has always been present in one form or another, though you and I both equally represent an opportunity for destiny and expansion, that’s no nightmare but instead the dream we call life, which most people cherish for some ‘unknown’ reason. All dreamscapes carry danger and adventure, that is why we are so enamored of them, they provide us challenges for advanced learning.
Adapt and survive, do not adapt and perish. Old archaic pre-Christian fundamentals. And the joy in learning how to adapt to ones environment! True living, there is no other experience worth having.
If you see the nightmare but not the dream I recommend you change channels for a while. What exists outside your current model of evaluation is infinitely larger and more variable than what lies within it. Its what you haven’t seen yet that keeps you from the dream, in other words you must wish to see something else.
Cheers,
Angelo writes,
is the need to view ones world as a ‘nightmare’ helpful in any sense?
pookie replies,
Of course it is. I’m with anothernut. I have a “need” to face reality, and if reality is increasingly nightmarish, well, hell, I take what action I can. Mostly it’s been fleeing, but fighting is good, too, for those so inclined, bless ’em and may they prosper. Blathering about “adapting to one’s environment” is annoying, especially if one’s environment includes an ominously growing evil. (Does pookie sound melodramatic? She doesn’t give a shit.)
pookie,
Angelo has read one too many chapters of The Secret one too many times, that’s clear. It’s all well and good adapting, but what’s the point in adapting to a system that inherently corrupts those embedded within?
Whether one runs, or stays put and shucks and jives, or turns and fights, those are all far better actions than adapting. Adapting to what? Governments that use policies for the betterment of the elite directly at the expense of the electorate? Trans-national corporate predators that suck out the wealth of the commons for their benefit leaving the commons torn asunder? If adapting is the only option, Angelo better get used to living in the gulags and the ghettos and the slums that will be all that remain as the “leaders†of the free and not so free worlds continue raping and pillaging and plundering.
Sorry Angelo, we are living a nightmare, one so terrifying it transfixes us into immobility. Our only hope is to collectively wake up, have the scales fall from our eyes, and see the monsters and wankers to whom we’ve willing subordinated and tell them, in ever so clear terms, to piss off and die. This world belongs to more than you and you have no power here any longer.
Hey pookie and goritsas,
I would suggest you let those scales fall away by hearing what I am saying rather than coming to far off conclusions. Goritsas if you knew my position as regards the ‘Secret’ you would quickly understand how closed in your evaluatory scheme is, I’ve spoken extensively about the disease which is forced ‘positive thinking’ to many within my reach.
I see the position of pookie as the other extreme, the hard nosed give it to me raw and rough mentality. Which is all fine and good within bounds, though that soft compassionate contextual understanding of much larger world dynamics is what tempers the hard core aspect from gaining to strong a hold of perception.
If either of you are willing I will suggest a few links to help you both better understand what I mean when I speak of adaptation.(See below)
My slowly moving point – too many are feeding the beast by issuing it omniscience and inevitability, when it is merely an aberration and really quite ephemeral. Powerful for a time perhaps, but fleeting in the big picture.
Cheers,
http://www.trackerschool.com/
http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/index.html
http://www.birthasweknowit.com/
http://www.farmerbrownsplowshop.bigstep.com/generic77.html
@Angelo,
“I would suggest …â€
You’ve already made some rather suspect suggestions so, if you don’t mind, I’ll leave the suggesting to myself. Maybe pookie too. Gotta throw Kevin in as well. Not to mention… The list goes on. You’re not on the list but that’s my problem and not yours. But thanks in any case.
“… if you knew my position as regards the ‘Secret’ you would quickly understand how closed in your evaluatory scheme is …â€
My scheme isn’t particularly closed, simply based on the trials and the traumas and the tribulations the vast majority of humanity is currently suffering. If you think adaptation will help the plight of the more than six thousand children that die every day from the lack of potable water, then let’s adapt away. For my part, I just don’t see how my adaptation is going to do anything at all to relieve malnutrition, poor-hygiene born disease, torture, need I go on? You can adapt to your hearts content. Will it make a difference to those without water, food, shelter? How about those living in war zones and subject to genocide? What do we do about the lost childhoods for those thousands of AK47 toting child warriors running for their lives throughout Africa as we argue this inane and banal issue? Think about it for a moment and I’m sure even you’ll realise it’ll take far more than your adaptation mantra to affect even the smallest change for even the most infinitesimal numbers of those suffering these, and more, privations.
“… though that soft compassionate contextual understanding of much larger world dynamics is what tempers the hard core aspect from gaining to strong a hold of perception.â€
What are you on about? Which soft bit are you seeing? The million dead Iraqis? The ongoing financial shit-storm? The loss of habitat and the current extinction event we’re not only in but may even be responsible for? The pollution of every ecology we have or are inhabiting? The genocides that seem to be unrelenting in every hemisphere on the planet? The leaching of pesticides, herbicides, heavy metals, industrial chemicals, and pharmaceuticals into every watercourse and sea and ocean on the planet?
Frankly, whatever soft bit you’re seeing must be the result of a drug induced hallucinogenic trance during which, full time in your case, all the good comes springing forth from the cess poll of shit that seems to be encircling the lives of the rest of us. God damn man, you’re one lucky mutha fukka. If you got a few tabs to spare…
“If either of you are willing I will suggest a few links…â€
Thanks for the links, but I’m not really sure how the issues humanity faces today are going to be resolved through becoming better “trackers,†by indulging in clearly softer but obviously irrelevant birthing approaches, nor by getting one’s farm yard equipment from Mr Brown. I could be wrong on this one, really wrong. One the other hand… What’s more worrying, you seem to believe it.
As for being a better “tracker†at Mr. Tom’s tracker school, what’s that all about? You’re just reading from your personal version of The Secret, no matter how much you slice it and dice it. As for better birthing, well nothing wrong with that except too many births is a significant part of the problem. Carrying capacity and overshoot and all that nasty hard-edged human ecology reality jazz.
“… when it is merely an aberration and really quite ephemeral. Powerful for a time perhaps, but fleeting in the big picture.â€
No matter how fleeting, no matter how ephemeral, if it lasts a generation then at least three generations are doomed to suffer. You can do your adapt waggle dance all you fancy but that will do nothing to provide relief to those suffering now and those destined to suffer tomorrow. I don’t really see how those who died in Soviet Russia during the German onslaught feel a whole lot better knowing, if they know it at all, that it was only an aberration and really quite fleeting. In the big picture even. Their suffering was pretty bloody real just as their deaths were pretty bloody permanent. Their torment and despair weren’t imagined, were they? Oops, I forgot, they didn’t know about adaptation. If only you’d been there then they could have been facilitated to “status enlightenment.†I still don’t see it but maybe you’re a guru of some sort able to affect such an outcome. I’ll just have to take your word for it.
We may indeed be feeding the beast by indulging in its desire for more fear and more trepidation. We may be urging it on it’s evil quest with every thought of despair and hopelessness. On the other hand, as long as remain unwilling to see the beast, to look it in the eye, regardless of our fear and terror, we’ll be able to do nothing about destroying the beast. Nothing at all. Nada. Zip. Diddly squat. F**k all. I think even you can get the picture.
Until you can see the beast, until you can stare into its chasm of horror and yet remain steadfast in that confrontation, your “adaptation†is just more New Age sissy-punk crapolla being spewed from the gullet of carrion scavengers.
I have not observed any antidepressant use in NZ children under 10. I suspect that a very few NZGPs, less than 1%, are doing all of it. Perhaps as part of one of the NZ govt’s notorious social engineering experiments, and Pharmac wasn’t informed? It would not be driven by a drug company, as NZ is such a poor and regulated market that BigPharma hardly bothers doing much marketing here.
What I have seen is MASSIVE ritalin dosing of NZ children. It is blatant malpractice even by the slack standards of the US BigPharma/HealthInsurance complex. “Problem” children identified by teachers or social workers and referred to the local child/adolescent psychiatric service. They are assessed once by the state doctor and given an Rx for ritalin. GPs are pretty much ordered by the MOH to automatically repeat the ritalin Rx monthly even though they have neither the training nor the time to evaluate the treatment. The children will stay on ritalin at least until adulthood. Once one child in a family is put on ritalin, the system almost automatically ensures that the younger children will be on ritalin by school age if not sooner.
All of this brings to mind Aldous Huxley’s 1958 nonfiction book, “Brave New World Revisited”. Aldous was aware of the inevitability of peak oil and peak phosphate even in the 1920s, they are mentioned by a geologist character in his 1928 novel “Point Counterpoint”. Aldous also knew of the plans for eugenics and population control as they were being drafted by his brothers Julian and Andrew. Anyway, by the 1950s, Aldous had come to the grim conclusion that population pressure and resource scarcity would pretty much extinguish freedom worldwide by the 21st century. At best people would be left with a choice of flavours of tyranny. And here we are. Britain has now become the epitome of the Orwellian survelliance society depicted in 1984. New Zealand has adopted the alternate method of becoming the all embracing maternal therapeutic state of “Brave New World”. Free ritalin (and now antidepressants?) for the children, free abortions for the women, and for the men a brothel in every town centre. That will keep the population happy. Happy Happy, Joy Joy!
Hey goritsas,
“You can do your adapt waggle dance all you fancy but that will do nothing to provide relief to those suffering now and those destined to suffer tomorrow.”
I’m not sure what an ‘adapt waggle dance’ is but I assure you that adaptive strategies are exactly what will provide relief to those suffering now and in the future.
Take it for what you value it, which may be little or none at all, but my observation is that you are playing into a deadly trap. The same trap of hate, despair, rage and intolerance that can and has lead to all of the various tragedies you seem so compelled to innumerate. I’m not new to the nightmares which you profess to be so moved by, the difference may be summed up as – I am a spiritual being that is timeless and boundless, experiencing a temporary condition through which pain can and must be felt. You on the other hand effusively contort the truth of spirit with the aberrations of linear thought where you and everyone else are considered but meat packages enduring suffering to no end and for no purpose. What a travesty. This same thinking has contorted human creative potential for thousands of years. Humanity has yet to collectively adapt to a new model of reference and is thus stuck in a perpetual and recurring drama of victim and abuser.
You have been abused goritsas, I’m sorry for that, we all have, and I’m sorry about that too. As was stated in a song I used to know, ‘yesterday is gone….. and here I am’.
I see your position quite clearly goritsas, thank you for the feedback.
@Alek Hidell:
it’s a pity you cannot seem to offer any actual evidence for your string of suppositions and assertions.
Ritalin dosing in NZ, while horrendous and outrageous, is certainly not anywhere near the US or UK or many other countries on a per capita basis.
and your “on-the-fly” suggested explanation of the child/infant SSRI prescription mystery is just paranoid silliness. and it’s wasting bandwidth and tiresome to boot.